Posts by Patchtail

    I think the mother is either cream point or fawn point, but I can't tell which. So I'll do the genetics both ways and you can pick which color you want her to officially be.


    Black SH x Cream point LH LaPerm

    DFAB kits: tortie, dilute tortie, tortie point, dilute tortie point

    DMAB kits: red tabby, cream tabby, flame point, cream point

    Point kits will have blue eyes. Other kits can have any realistic eye color except blue.

    Kits can be longhaired or shorthaired.

    Kits can have LaPerm fur (curly and springy with no undercoat) or normal fur.


    Black SH x Fawn point LH LaPerm

    Black, blue, cinnamon, fawn, seal point, blue point, cinnamon point, fawn point

    Point kits will have blue eyes. Other kits can have any realistic eye color except blue.

    Kits can be longhaired or shorthaired.

    Kits can have LaPerm fur (curly and springy with no undercoat) or normal fur.

    Ok I went back to the old thread and it looks like they're your actual cats so I'm going to answer under that assumption.


    Most likely chances:


    Females: 12.5% black tortie, 12.5% black smoke tortie, 12.5% seal tortie point, 12.5% seal smoke tortie point, 12.5% black, 12.5% black smoke, 12.5% seal point, 12.5% seal smoke point

    Males: 12.5% red tabby, 12.5% red cameo tabby, 12.5% red/flame point, 12.5% red cameo point, 12.5% black, 12.5% black smoke, 12.5% seal point, 12.5% seal smoke point

    50% chance of a small amount of white markings


    The male carries dilute from his mother. In the case that the female also carries dilute, these will be the color chances:


    Females: 9.375% black tortie, 9.375% black smoke tortie, 9.375% seal tortie point, 9.375% seal smoke tortie point, 9.375% black, 9.375% black smoke, 9.375% seal point, 9.375% seal smoke point, 3.125% blue tortie, 3.125% blue smoke tortie, 3.125% blue tortie point, 3.125% blue smoke tortie point, 3.125% blue, 3.125% blue smoke, 3.125% blue point, 3.125% blue smoke point

    Males: 9.375% red tabby, 9.375% red cameo tabby, 9.375% red/flame point, 9.375% red cameo point, 9.375% black, 9.375% black smoke, 9.375% seal point, 9.375% seal smoke point, 3.125% cream tabby, 3.125% cream cameo tabby, 3.125% cream point, 3.125% cream cameo point, 3.125% blue, 3.125% blue smoke, 3.125% blue point, 3.125% blue smoke point

    50% chance of a small amount of white markings



    Point kittens will have blue eyes into adulthood. Non point kittens will not have blue eyes as adults, but the inheritance of other cat eye colors is not understood well enough to predict other eye colors.

    I tracked down the original article about the cat in the photos and they don't say anything about its markings spreading over time, and also vitiligo patches have kind of blurrier edges, so I don't think it's vitiligo.


    I think she's black with high white spotting, and some kind of mutation that causes color to break through the white spotting on her legs. There are a few other documented cats with this mutation, which you can see on this webpage, but we don't know how it's inherited or how exactly it works.

    Black x Dilute caliby

    DFAB kits only: torbie, dilute torbie, tortie, dilute tortie, or any of those with white

    DMAB kits only: red tabby, cream tabby, or any of those with white

    Any: Brown tabby, blue tabby, black, blue, or any of those with white

    Kits with white can have any realistic eye color. Kits without white can have any realistic eye color except blue.

    Kits with white markings will have less than 50% white. Torties with white can be called calicos. Torbies with white can be called calibies or torbicos.

    I am assuming the lynx point is a seal lynx point, please let me know if he is a different color.


    Blue point LaPerm LH x Seal lynx point SH

    Seal lynx point, blue lynx point, seal point, blue point

    All kits will have blue eyes.

    Kits can be longhaired or shorthaired.

    Kits may have LaPerm type curly fur (springy, curly, no undercoat) or have normal fur.

    Blue w/ high white x Blue ticked tabby

    Blue ticked tabby w/ white, blue w/ white

    Kits can have any realistic eye color.

    All kits will have low white (less than 50% white).


    Let me know if you would like more options!

    The photo for the mother seems to be a cream point with white, not a cream tabby with white. I'll do the genetics both ways and you can decide which one you want to use.

    Brown tabby x Cream tabby w/ white

    DFAB kits: torbie, dilute torbie, tortie, dilute tortie, or any of those with low (less than 50%) white

    DMAB kits: red tabby, cream tabby, or any of those with low white

    Kits with white markings can have any realistic eye color. Kits without white can have any realistic eye color except blue.

    Torties with white can be called calicos. Torbies with white can be called calibies or torbicos.


    Brown tabby x Cream point w/ white

    DFAB kits: torbie, dilute torbie, tortie, dilute tortie, torbie point, dilute torbie point, tortie point, dilute tortie point, or any of those with low (less than 50%) white

    DMAB kits: red tabby, cream tabby, flame point, cream point, or any of those with low white

    Point kits will have blue eyes (regardless of whether or not they have white markings). Other kits with white markings can have any realistic eye color. Other kits without white can have any realistic eye color except blue.

    Torties with white can be called calicos. Torbies with white can be called calibies or torbicos.

    Blue smoke LH x Spotted torbie w/ low white SH

    DFAB kits only: silver torbie, dilute silver torbie, tortie smoke, dilute tortie smoke, torbie, dilute torbie, tortie, dilute tortie, or any of those with low (less than 50%) white

    DMAB kits only: red cameo, cream cameo, red tabby, cream tabby, or any of those with low white

    Either: silver tabby, blue silver tabby, brown tabby, blue tabby, black smoke, blue smoke, black, blue, or any of those with low white

    Kits with white can have any realistic eye color. Kits without white can have any realistic eye color except blue.

    Tabbies/torbies/cameos can be mackerel or spotted pattern.

    Kits can be longhaired or shorthaired.

    Black LH with vitiligo x Blue classic tabby w/ low white LH

    Brown classic tabby, blue classic tabby, black, blue, or any of those with low white markings (less than 50% white)

    Kits with white can have any realistic eye color. Kits without white can have any realistic eye color except blue.

    All kits will be longhaired.


    Kits may or may not have an increased chance of vitiligo. Vitiligo is one of those things like allergies or mental illnesses where there are genetic mutations that make the condition possible, but whether it actually ever starts happening depends on the environment and stresses of the person's life as they grow up, which may or may not trigger it to happen.

    Brown ticked tabby LH Somali x Brown mackerel tabby w/ low white SH

    Brown ticked tabby, brown mackerel tabby, blue ticked tabby, blue mackerel tabby, black, blue, or any of those with low white markings (less than 50% white)

    Kits with white can have any realistic eye color. Kits without white can have any realistic eye color except blue.

    Kits can be longhaired or shorthaired.

    Kits may show some Somali/Abyssinian breed traits.

    Black x Lilac tortie

    DFAB kits only: tortie, dilute tortie, chocolate tortie, lilac tortie

    DMAB kits only: red tabby, cream tabby

    Any: black, blue, chocolate, lilac

    Kits can have any realistic eye color except blue.

    Black w/ low white LH x Black (assuming SH)

    Black, blue, black w/ white, blue w/ white

    Kits with white can have any realistic eye color. Kits without white can have any realistic eye color except blue.

    Kits with white will have less than 50% white.

    Kits can be shorthaired or longhaired.


    Let me know if you'd like more options!

    The "answer" is that we (as in, humans) don't really know how cat eye genetics fully work. Two yellow eyed cats could probably have a green eyed kitten, but we don't know the basis behind it, so we leave the parts we don't know up to the RPer's choice. This is why for many litters the eye options will just say "any realistic eye color" or "any realistic eye color except blue". There are probably many genes controlling eye color, but we don't know which ones they are or how they are inherited.


    There are a few things we do know:


    - In general, cats that aren't white and don't have white markings, cannot have blue eyes. (There are some exceptions to this which I will mention later)


    - Cats that are all white can have any eye color, including blue, and can also have one blue eye and one other color eye. However, blue eyed white cats have a 70% chance of being deaf from birth, and white cats with one blue eye have a 70% chance of being half deaf on the blue eye side.


    - Cats with white markings can have blue eyes. They are more likely to have blue eyes the more white, and especially the more white facial marking, they have. Cats with only a bit of white usually won't have blue eyes but it has been known to happen occasionally. There's no deafness risk with white marking induced blue eyes. According to this article there may be a recessive gene for blue eyes that only affects white-marked cats.


    - Point cats (the Siamese pattern, but it's found in other breeds too) always have blue eyes. They also lack the reflective layer that most cats have at the back of their eyes, meaning their pupils will not reflect in the dark.


    - Blue-eyed albino cats (which are VERY rare) have pale blue, lavender, or pinkish-blue eyes. They also don't have the reflective eye layer, and have a lot of vision problems due to the lack of pigment.


    - Pink-eyed albino cats (even rarer) have pale pink eyes, no reflective layer, and even worse vision problems than blue-eyed albinos. This mutation formerly wasn't found in domestic cats (not that that stopped a lot of people from RPing pink-eyed albino cats on this site lmao), but it's occurred in Bengals due to being introduced from Asian Leopard Cats.


    - Mink cats (Tonkinese pattern, but also found in other breeds) have aqua/blue-green eyes.


    - Sepia cats (Burmese pattern, but also found in other breeds) have eye colors in the range of gold to yellow to green. Pedigree Burmeses, specifically, have been selectively bred to always have golden eyes, but that's because of selective breeding over many generations, not because of the sepia mutation.


    - The Ojos Azules mutation, which is very rare and going extinct since the breeding project has stopped, causes blue eyes without white markings. Unfortunately it is also homozygous lethal (meaning cats with 1 copy of the gene have blue eyes but cats with 2 copies are born dead).


    - The Topaz mutation can cause blue eyes, odd eyes (1 blue, 1 other color), or even black eyes, with either no white, or really weird white markings in patterns that white markings don't normally happen in. It's still pretty rare as it was only discovered recently. It's incomplete dominant, with homozygous cats having an increased risk of deafness. Topaz blue- or black-eyed cats also have no reflective layer at the back of their eyes.


    - The Altai mutation causes blue eyes or odd eyes when heterozygous, and deafness with blue eyes and high white markings (unrelated to the normal white marking gene) when homozygous.


    - Many breeds have a specific required eye color. However, (except for point/mink/sepia pattern breeds) this has been achieved by selectively breeding for that eye color over many generations, so we don't know what specific genes are involved.

    Blue w/ low white SH x Black w/ (assuming low) white LH

    Black w/ white, blue w/ white, black, blue

    Kits with white can have any realistic eye color. Kits without white can have any realistic eye color except blue.

    Kits can have any amount of white markings.

    Kits can be longhaired or shorthaired.

    How's this?


    Seal point SH Siamese (assumed carrying chocolate & LH, masking caramel) x Blue w/ low white (assumed carrying chocolate & LH) SH

    Black, blue, caramel, chocolate, lilac, taupe, seal point, blue point, caramel point, chocolate point, lilac point, taupe point, or any of those with low white

    Point kits will have blue eyes. Other kits can have any realistic eye color if they have white; any realistic eye color except blue if they have no white.

    Kits may be shorthaired or longhaired.

    Kits can show some Siamese breed traits.

    Seal point SH Siamese x Blue w/ low white SH

    Black, blue, seal point, blue point, or any of those with low white

    Point kits will have blue eyes. Other kits can have any realistic eye color if they have white; any realistic eye color except blue if they have no white.

    Kits will all be shorthaired.

    Kits can show some Siamese breed traits.


    Let me know if you'd like more options.

    Vanilla litter:


    Chocolate point [assumed carrying dilute] x Torbie w/ low white [assumed carrying chocolate, dilute, and point]

    female kits only: torbie, dilute torbie, chocolate torbie, lilac torbie, tortie, dilute tortie, chocolate tortie, lilac tortie, torbie point, dilute torbie point, chocolate torbie point, lilac torbie point, tortie point, dilute tortie point, chocolate tortie point, lilac tortie point, or any of those with low white

    male kits only: red tabby, cream tabby, flame point, cream point, or any of those with low white

    any: brown tabby, blue tabby, chocolate tabby, lilac tabby, black, blue, chocolate, lilac, seal lynx point, blue lynx point, chocolate lynx point, lilac lynx point, seal point, blue point, chocolate point, lilac point, or any of those with low white

    Point kits will have blue eyes. Other kits can have any realistic eye color if they have white; any realistic eye color except blue if they have no white.



    With caramel, cinnamon, & wide band:


    Chocolate point [assumed carrying dilute & cinnamon, masking caramel & wide band] x Torbie w/ low white [assumed carrying cinnamon, dilute, & point]


    female kits only: torbie, dilute torbie, chocolate torbie, lilac torbie, tortie, dilute tortie, chocolate tortie, lilac tortie, torbie point, dilute torbie point, chocolate torbie point, lilac torbie point, tortie point, dilute tortie point, chocolate tortie point, lilac tortie point, golden torbie, dilute golden torbie, chocolate golden torbie, lilac golden torbie, golden torbie point, dilute golden torbie point, chocolate golden torbie point, lilac golden torbie point, caramel golden torbie, taupe golden torbie, cinnamon golden torbie, fawn golden torbie, caramel torbie, taupe torbie, cinnamon torbie, fawn torbie, caramel tortie, taupe tortie, cinnamon tortie, fawn tortie, caramel golden torbie point, taupe golden torbie point, cinnamon golden torbie point, fawn golden torbie point, caramel torbie point, taupe torbie point, cinnamon torbie point, fawn torbie point, caramel tortie point, taupe tortie point, cinnamon tortie point, fawn tortie point, or any of those with low white


    male kits only: red tabby, cream tabby, flame point, cream point, or any of those with low white


    any: brown tabby, blue tabby, chocolate tabby, lilac tabby, black, blue, chocolate, lilac, seal lynx point, blue lynx point, chocolate lynx point, lilac lynx point, seal point, blue point, chocolate point, lilac point, golden tabby, blue golden tabby, chocolate golden tabby, lilac golden tabby, seal golden lynx point, blue golden lynx point, chocolate golden lynx point, lilac golden lynx point, caramel golden tabby, taupe golden tabby, cinnamon golden tabby, fawn golden tabby, caramel tabby, taupe tabby, cinnamon tabby, fawn tabby, caramel, taupe, cinnamon, fawn, caramel golden lynx point, taupe golden lynx point, cinnamon golden lynx point, fawn golden lynx point, caramel lynx point, taupe lynx point, cinnamon lynx point, fawn lynx point, caramel point, taupe point, cinnamon point, fawn point, or any of those with low white


    Point kits will have blue eyes. Other kits can have any realistic eye color if they have white; any realistic eye color except blue if they have no white.