[font=georgia] Mmmkay, 'tis now the magickal dungeon that only myself and werepyr and now s w i n g s may enter.
knowledge is golden... }} p, genetics training thread
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Hai! Nice dungeon. -picks up a torch-
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lead the way magickal sorcerer. >D
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But first, Wolfie's grandkits XD
Okay, so let's set up the things that we have to cover; the test.
Black Factor: Black x Blue.
Brown tabby x Blue.
Black x Chocolate.
Chocolate tabby x Brown tabby.
Lilac tabby x Blue tabby.
Cinnamon x Black.
Brown tabby x Fawn tabby.
Chocolate x Fawn.
Cinnamon x Lilac.
Fawn x Cinnamon.
Lilac x Chocolate.
Blue tabby x Black.
Red Factor: Red tabby x Cream tabby.
Red tabby x Black.
Red tabby x Cinnamon tabby.
Red tabby x Blue tabby.
Red tabby x Lilac.
Chocolate x Cream tabby.
Blue x Cream tabby.
Blue x Red tabby.
Lilac tabby x Cream tabby.
Tortie/Torbie/Calico: Black x Calico.
Blue tabby x Torbie.
Lilac tabby x Dilute tortie.
Chocolate x Dilute calico.
Red tabby x Calico.
Cream tabby x Dilute torbie.
Red tabby x Dilute tortie.
White: White x Red tabby.
Black x White.
Chocolate x White.
White x Cinnamon.
Cream tabby x White.
White x Dilute torbie.
White Spotting: Red tabby with white x Blue.
Brown tabby x Cream tabby with white.
Black with white x Blue with white.
Cinnamon with white x Red tabby.
Calico (black factor) x Chocolate with white.
Albino: Black x Blue-eyed albino.
Red-eyed albino x Red tabby.
Red-eyed albino x Chocolate tabby.
Blue-eyed albino x Cream tabby.
Tortie (red factor) x Blue-eyed albino.
Colour Point: Red point x Cream tabby.
Seal point x Blue point.
Blue lynx point x Chocolate point.
Tortie (black factor) point x Red point.
Cream tabby x Seal lynx point.
Tabbies: Blue ticked tabby x Black.
Chocolate x Lilac classic tabby.
Cinnamon ticked tabby x Red mackeral tabby.
Red classic tabby x Cream spotted tabby.
Silvering: Black smoke x Cinnamon.
Red x Blue smoke.
Cinnamon-silver tabby x Chocolate tabby.
Silver tabby x Brown tabby.
Hair Length: Blue short hair x Red tabby long hair.
Torbie (red factor) short hair x Cream tabby short hair.
Brown tabby long hair x Black long hair.
Cinnamon short hair x Lilac long hair.
Sepia: Seal sepia x Black.
Cream tabby x Cinnamon sepia.
Chocolate sepia x Seal lynx point.
Red point x Blue sepia.
Mink: Seal point x Blue tabby mink.
Red mink x Cream tabby.
Chocolate mink x Fawn tabby.
Fawn mink x Black.
Rex: Black Devon Rex x Black.
Red tabby Selkirk Rex x Blue Selkirk Rex.
Brown tabby Oregon Rex x Cinnamon tabby Devon Rex.
Cream tabby Cornish Rex x Black.
LaPerm: Red tabby LaPerm x Cream tabby.
Brown tabby LaPerm x Black LaPerm.
Wirehair: Cream tabby Wirehair x Cinnamon tabby.
Blue Wirehair x Lilax Wirehair.
Hairless: Sphynx x Black.
Brown tabby x Sphynx.
Spyhnx x spyhnx.
Russian Hairless x Red tabby.
Tortie (black factor) x Russian Hairless.
Russian Hairless x Russian Hairless.
Ears Brown tabby curled ears x Blue tabby.
Blue folded ears x Black.
Bobtail: Red tabby Japanese bobtail x Brown tabby Japanese bobtail.
Black x Tortie Japanese bobtail.
Chocolate manx x Red manx.
Black manx x dilute torbie.
Munchkin: Red tabby Munchkin x Red tabby.
Black Munchkin x Calico Munchkin.
Polydactyl: Seal lynx point Polydactyl x Red point.
Blue-lynx point with white x Black Polydactyl.
Hybrids: Regular Serval x Black.
Black Serval x Brown tabby.
Blue tabby x White Serval.
Regular Caracal x Red tabby.
Silver tabby x Black Caracal.
Seal point x Regular Bobcat.
Black Bobcat x Brown tabby.
Regular Jungle Cat x Cream tabby.
Black Jungle Cat x Blue.
Remember, the father is always listed first. And then I don't know everything.
So what do you know? Let's start from there.
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uhm... i know almost absolutely nothing. I know the basic four square punnett square.. and with a little refresher the more advanced pun net square.
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Okay. I'll teach you the black loci then. That okay?
Also, who are the parents of Wolfspider's grandkits? Their appearances?
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You just tell me what to do. I guess it would be the best if we started from the simple shtuff. :p
And i am fetching their genetics nao, just give me a momento.
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Appearances, you mean? =)
Black locus:
B=black, dominant over all of them
b=chocolate, dominant over cinnamon only
b|=cinnamon, dominant over none.Test one:
Can you list all of the possible genotypes for a cat with the phenotype of 1.black 2.chocolate 3.cinnamon?The purpose of this test is to see if you know about dominance, a few terms, and about alleles.
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Mmkay.. Lets see;
LINK TO APPEARANCE>http://warriorcatsrpg.com/index.php?topic=637068.0
Well, if black is dominant over everything, that doesnt give us much options depending on the female..
A chocolate would be more varied because he is only dominant over cinnamon which means thats the only coat the kittens will not have.
And cinnamon would probably not show up except for maybe one kitten if his mate is Black/Chocolate...I am totally not sure if i did this right, but i do know what phenotypes and geneotypes are as well as dominance vs recessive.
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No, I meant to list them, like this;
BB= black homozygous
Bb= black heterozygous, carrying chocolate
Bb|= black heterozygous, carrying cinnamonNow can you do it for the other two?
Tortie tom.... -brain broke- I'm not sure about the muteness though..
I'll work it out......um.....
Chocolate tortoiseshell bicolor (passing chocolate) x lilac point bicolor
Kits: chocolate solid, lilac solid, cinnamon solid, fawn solid, cinnamon point, lilac point, fawn point, chocolate point, or any with white.
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Im kind of confused, do you want me to do a type of punnett square? Like
B b
B
B?
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No, you need to sore that you understand the subject of dominance. So there are the alleles, right? Certain combinations show black, others chocolate, and one cinnamon. Can you list them?
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OOHHHH! I see. :p
laggybrainBlack cat can have the genotypes;
BB, Bb, Bb|Chocolate cat could only have the following genotypes;
bb, bb|&& a Cinnamon could only have the following genotype;
b|b|I hope this is correct.
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CORRECT! -pats Little Whisk's back-
Okay, so now we do the Dilution and Tabby(generic) factors. What I mean by generic is that it's different when you mention tabby, and when you mention mackerel, classic, ticked, spotted, or rosetted tabbies.
Dilution:
D=dominant, no dilution
d=recessive, dilution. (blue, lilac/lavender, fawn)Tabby (generic):
A=dominant, tabby markings
a= recessive, solid colorPOP QUIZ!
What does the A for three tabby gene stand for?TEST:
Do the matching thing for these too. :3PRE-TEST:
Do the black factor section of the testSo...yeah. Pop quiz is just a fun fact. Test is easier, pre-test should help me gauge what you need help with.
This link is heaven, but it has some loci that we don't use here. Doesn't really matter, so I'll just tell you what's needed and what's not later :3
http://www.messybeast.com/gene-symbols.htm -
Wait... So what do i match..?
Like if a cat were to be diluted, it would need the genotype;
ddIf a cat were to be solid, it would have to be;
AAOh, and i am not sure about the 'A' tabby gene..
Im still not entirely sure what youre asking so im going to guess at it;
~~~~Answers..?~~~~
--For a cat to be solid black;
Bbaa, BBaa
--For a cat to be a black tabby;
BbAA, BBAA, BbAa, BBAa, Bb1Aa, Bb1AA
--For a cat to be a solid chocolate;
bbaa, bb1aa
--For a cat to be a chocolate tabby;
bbAA, bbAa, bb1Aa, bb1AA
--For a cat to be a solid cinnamon;
b1b1aa
--For a cat to be a cinnamon tabby;
b1b1Aa, b1b1AA
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No, a solid cat has the genotype of aa, a tabby cat had either AA or Aa.
A means agouti, which you can look up because it's long XD Ticked tabbies are also called agouti tabbies at times for some reason. Oh, and bicolor means that the cat had around 50 percent of white, but it also can be used in place of βwith whiteβ.
And for the test, it's just a bunch of pairings. One of them is red tabby bicolor x blue. I'll work that out for you.
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Here's my work;
[img width=286 height=510]http://oi49.tinypic.com/2n37mr.jpg[/img]
There are three on this sheet, so...yeah. The top is Wolf x Lace, the bottom one is for the genetics test. The middle is the one for Wolf's grandkits. -
Hello?
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Sorry -- im kind of confused as to what i'm supposed to be doing. :p
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this is why I shouldn't be doing things so lateOkay, so I gave you a bunch of stuff....XD
The test thing....remember when you listed the possible combinations for the black loci? I was asking you to do the same for the dilution gene and tabby gene. It'll be much easier XD
Now, the pre-test. That was supposed to be the whole black factor section of the test, but let's break it up instead. You know basic punnet squares, right?
Can you do a black x blue pairing? It's a bit harder than a basic one, since it has two genes.
So in WCRPG, we always make non-diluted cats heterozygous if they're domestic. So instead of DD, it's Dd.So it'll be BBDd x BBdd
So the kits will all be BB. They can be either Dd or dd.
So the kits will be black or blue.
So it'll be like this;Black x Blue
Kits: Black, blue.
Kits can have any eye color but blue.
That make sense?