My ideas && opinions on how to improve the ext. game.

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    I cannot be more clear. We will not enforce rigid subjective or quantitative rules, be it for leaders or anyone else. Staff step into a situation when they deem it necessary. If a member, or members, bring something to our attention, we discuss it and decide whether or not to take an action (generally an action is taken, though it's normally simply staff reaching out to the reported member to make sure they realize that they're making the experience worse for others).


    Trout, your opinions are welcome, your snide remarks are not. Feel not only free, but encouraged to continue the former. Continuing the latter will lead to a ban.

    The 'core' of feralfront should be having an enjoyable experience. From what I understand you just started roleplaying to me that makes me question on how you could decide/know what core values roleplaying holds on Feralfront. Leaders can't do anything to fix the problem because they don't have the authority to do anything to improve the situation and to me its a cop out for staff to say "Well members can handle it" and then would instantly warn any members who told someone "Look you're too OP"


    So far staff have given zero valid suggestions on how to handle OP characters.


    So far we have:
    -Ignore them, which is impossible with how the ext. game is set up, someone would get in trouble ICly if they ignored them, plus you can't interact in any open threads then.
    -Have leaders handled it, which leaders have no authority to do anything, not promote OP characters? Well then staff would probably get upset over leaders being 'unfair', challenges are a good start but thats not going to solve the problem.


    It just seems like the staff is trying to pass the issue off to members knowing very well that members have no authority to rally and make a change in the ext. game no matter what position they hold ICly. That way when things blow up and more folks realize that things aren't fun ya'll can look back and shrug and say "Well it was up to you, not our fault you couldn't fix it."


    It's honestly frustrating that members aren't the ones who came in here and made this mess, they didn't make broken systems, they didn't remove rules to keep things fair, members had no authority to make the mess and now when they want something fixed they don't have the authority to fix it and are getting no help from those who can.


    I'm going, to be honest, and say that nothing's going to change if its just left up to people who have no power on making a change, it is one thing if we were allowed to vote on new rules or limits but we aren't. We're basically being told "You can fix the ext. game but you aren't allowed to change anything about it" and that's not going to happen, it's easier to just shrug and quit then it is to fight against the current.


    I'm glad that at least things will be done about the guides, that's an important first step and I am happy that something potentially will be done about that from what I saw around in the help den, but the ext. game as a whole is going to need a lot of work, and what needs to happen won't be happening anytime soon it seems and that is sad.


    I will say it seems that Staff is doing more to work with members of the traditional boards then the extended. It's no secret that the admins feel like they were 'pushed out' of the extended game, but maybe that's why the traditional boards seem to be getting more help? Like right now staff are working WITH them to move all the clans in a big plot, but the extended game gets clans being obliterated and this end game things forced upon them without any consideration or anything. Why won't staff work with extended game members too?

    I'm finished with the same negative comments. Staff is not responsible for each individual acting "appropriately". Members need to do so. The answer is not as simple as anyone is making it out to be. If it was, we wouldn't have a problem. Why would staff actively create a site that people didn't like? What would the possible point be? If we wanted a site for ourselves, we simply wouldn't allow other members at all. The assertions to the contrary are ridiculous.


    The only way for the community to change is if the community wants to change. The best staff can do is provide opportunities that facilitate such a thing. We have suggested a few for discussion.


    I will tolerate no more negativity. Most of the members in this thread are actively participating to make it better, and I'm really enjoying that. A couple of individuals seem intent on derailing it into drama (funny how that's exactly what I stated happens in the recent Announcement...).

    Critism and valid complaints from the people who deal with these issues aren't negativity. I'm not saying there isn't negative people on the thread, but those two things aren't automatically bad even if they are directed towards you. The problems need fixing and we cant fix them ourselves. Thats not nehative, thats just how it is.


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    I feel most leaders are active around their clans that at least from what I have seen and if not well then that clan will perish. I feel that maybe the clan that gets the least number of post counts gets a shout-out to try and give it some hope for more members to join? Idk its just an idea.

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    i'm gonna put it bluntly because i really hate all this fighting but how about we stop blaming staff for things and work together, like, seriously guys right now this whole thing is a shit show and i feel more attacked by members trying to make a "change" on ff than the staff. it's sad, honestly, if you do not like it here then why don't you find some other place that you enjoy? i don't mean that rudely, i would never mean something in that way but i just... don't see the point in arguing so viciously about this? i know you're trying to fix things but the only point i see is to point out members who truly enjoy rping, who make characters that they enjoy, like... seriously, open your eyes and see the damage you're inflicting rather than the good you think you're doing.


    i don't know if anyone realizes it but right now you are blatantly attacking a lot of people and their characters, you're trying to make a change by stepping on others who you may feel you are defending or protecting or whatever but the fact of the matter is you are being cruel. the hell are staff going to do about op characters? seriously, just ignore them, nobody is asking you to interact with them at all - you can ignore them in open threads (have your character interact with someone else), you can ignore them in battle (find a more evenly matched character), you don't even have to talk to them (literally ignore them in threads!!!!) because, at this rate, this is gonna go ooc hella fast and you're going to find that no one wants to interact with you anymore because they're afraid that you will hate them for their character that they LOVE. honestly, i'm just disappointed right now.


    right now, i feel super attacked by everyone arguing in this thread. my characters can technically be considered op but because of the way i play them they often don't come off as such. fuck, i play the literal embodiment of death like... seriously guys i honestly feel like total shit right now because apparently i'm making rp horrible for everyone else because i worked hard on creating characters that i love. i want to cry right now because every point in this thread seems more like an attack than an actual argument, how about instead of attacking staff about how we feel we AS MEMBERS try to work together in some way to fix the problem. we can literally pm people and be like "hey fam, i really, really don't want to be mean or anything but i just noticed that your character is just... a little much, maybe we could come to a compromise?" but instead we'd rather attack people who are trying to run the fucking site. thanks, you're making my experience real enjoyable because now i feel like everything i have created is pointless, hated, and should be eradicated for the sake of others.


    i don't see the point in continuing to argue with staff, what are you getting out of it rather than making people feel like shit. this could be handled in a more civil manner, literally just... cool down? pm a mod or something and be like "hey fam, here are some problems that i think should be addressed, i'm going to be civil because arguing gets nothing done and causes more problems than it fixes. i'm also not going to give you big problems that you can't solve and then blame everything on you when said problems don't get solved when it's the members base that can do it : )"


    honestly, it's not the staff that makes me want to leave sometimes, it's the people who make everything hard and just make me feel like total shit. right now? i want to drop all my characters because of the stuff i've read here and the hatred that seems fueled about the characters i spent a long time creating :/ but oh well i guess, the members hate op characters, they hate this and that, it's not like it will matter much. i know other people who agree, other people who spent so much TIME on a character and now they're afraid of playing them because they feel someone is out there hating on them for enjoying that character because they think they're op. i am in tears right now and it's not because i think the staff is unfair but because i feel hated, like my characters are hated, that no one likes the things i make and that i shouldn't have the right to create my babies anymore.


    some people needed to remember this is a site for fun not a goddamn battlefield. please, please, please can we just be civil? like,,, it's really not much to ask for, please.
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    @puddles Official clans do get a free shout-out already (: (blue bar)


    As far as activity goes, with the activity we currently have with ext. game rp on the site, it's like the amount of icing (activity) given in a can of, say, 6 cinnamon rolls (official groups) that amount of icing is perfect for the amount of cinammon rolls in the can, but if you had a can of 14 cinnamon rolls with the same amount of icing, you wouldn't have near enough icing to successfully cover each cinnamon roll. Right now FeralFront has too many cinnamon rolls and not enough icing. So even if there are some kick-ass groups out there there won't be enough activity to fill them and make them successful and flowing. Slow-paced clans can still be flowing, but we have a few that simply don't and that's why we're looking to remove them.


    Regardless of if you're someone who hates icing or loves extra icing(me) I hope that analogy makes sense xD

    [center][fancypost=width: 428px; font-family: arial; font-size: 8px; text-align:justify; line-height: 95%]i agree with asyli's entire post to be honest! a lot of my characters have been / are super super powerful, and ?? it makes me sick to my stomach to think that people would avoid roleplaying with me simply because of that reason.


    i work really hard to make sure my characters are well-rounded and three-dimensional, and while i know there's some carboard-like god-level characters out there, most of them aren't, and if you do have a problem with someone's character and decide to avoid them it's not really a problem?? i just think it would be best if you gave them a heads up and explained what was going on because being ghosted and not knowing why is really painful and discouraging

    Yes! I understand completely, and know why you might want to get rid of some clans
    But slow-paced clans are still a must have in the end! People who arent so serious with rping or simply dont have time for lots of activity would need a slow paced clan!


    Edit: GDI IT POSTED BEFORE I COMPLETED MY THOUGHT PROCESS AND MADE SURE I DIDNT SPOUT GIBBERISH

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    not to be rude but maybe as the collective we should not single out people and make them feel like terrible human beings, that argument goes both ways. to think as the collective you have to have the support of the collective, not part of the collective while attacking the rest. :/
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    sesilee wrote:

    [center][fancypost=width: 428px; font-family: arial; font-size: 8px; text-align:justify; line-height: 95%]i agree with asyli's entire post to be honest! a lot of my characters have been / are super super powerful, and ?? it makes me sick to my stomach to think that people would avoid roleplaying with me simply because of that reason.


    i work really hard to make sure my characters are well-rounded and three-dimensional, and while i know there's some carboard-like god-level characters out there, most of them aren't, and if you do have a problem with someone's character and decide to avoid them it's not really a problem?? i just think it would be best if you gave them a heads up and explained what was going on because being ghosted and not knowing why is really painful and discouraging

    Honestly I don't mind powerful characters as long as their strength is earned, you know? Like they had to build themselves up from something (or nothing, even better), probably a pretty weak starting point. I have a char that some might consider op that trained his entire life (that I rped out, I started him at one moon and he's like 28 or something now) to become strong and imo he earned it. He still takes damage and everything, but he's a tough dude. My other character Gray has lost every single one of the many fights he's gotten into and he's constantly looking for people to teach him and he's constantly practicing, so that later on when he gets stronger it's earned.
    So yeah, I don't really mind strong characters that much when its earned, though I'll admit sometimes "strong for the sake of being strong" bothers be.


    Also, I rather like that there are plenty of fast-paced, medium-paced and slow-paced groups to choose from. Not everyone can handle BlizzardClan, but some people don't want to wait around for ages for replies, you know? I'm in favor of fewer groups, but I'd like to still see that variety in pace and Clan.

    I know that it isnt staff's problem but im just curious... is there any way that we could manage it without it being godmodding or ignoring people? since you guys make the rules, im just curious if you have any suggestions as to how we could do that without breaking rules or being rude. if not i understand its our problem, just figured i would try to ask!


    but yes dittoing asyli a lot.


    i think instead of jsut blaming staff or getting angry with each other, if we sat down and tried to suggest ways to deal with it, it would be a lot easier...


    but a solution i use when dealing with 'op' cgaracters who somehow figure out exactly who you are and where you're from desoite never interacting with you is when i have my character sneak around i make an ooc note asking if people didnt use their powers to find the identity of the character or something. like if fluffbutt was going to grafitti an enemy clan or something harmless but i didnt want a lot of drama happening because if it because characters are huge patriots, I might ask that nobody realize what clan my character was from and it works out pretty well!

    sesilee wrote:

    [center][fancypost=width: 428px; font-family: arial; font-size: 8px; text-align:justify; line-height: 95%]i agree with asyli's entire post to be honest! a lot of my characters have been / are super super powerful, and ?? it makes me sick to my stomach to think that people would avoid roleplaying with me simply because of that reason.

    This is really hypocritical of everything people have currently said.
    You admit they can be considered OP, and everyone is saying "oooh just avoid op characters if they bother you"


    and then you're basically guilting people over here like "It hurts my feelings people wouldn't RP with me even tho my character can be considered OP"


    Like okay so what are we suppose to do? Just nothing? Cause apparently avoiding them like EVERYONE is suggesting just hurts feelings, either way we're a bunch of assholes I guess.

    It would be nice if we had something like, say, a shop you could purchase powers from and gradually post and develop your character to earn the currency to do so.

    we had a shop once, i believe! it was taken down though from what i understand c':

    [center][fancypost=width: 475px; line-height:125%; text-align: justify; padding: 2px][size=8] We had a shop where powers were purchased, but it was removed. Shops for powers will not be implemented. The staff have already said so, as they removed it in the past.


    Also sorry if this sounds rude, I don't mean for it to be rude.