Yea but that is because Brambleclaw doesn't hate Firestar when he should. And Tigerstar had troubling time, You should read the book Erin is writing now about Tigerstar. It's ALL about him, his points of view, what was REALLY GOING on. I like him, I know he wasd misunderstood and He is a good cat. No cat is bad, they do things for bad reasons but no cat is bad exept for Firestar.
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I agree with Branbleclaw, you do have a weird mind.besides if you'll look Firestar is still winning.
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So you think Firestar is evil and Tigerstar is nice when Firestar doesn't like fighting when he can avoid it and would die for his clan while Tigerstar wants to kill cats for power?
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No offence Otterfoot but you have a twisted mind....Just kidding....The only time in the book that I like him is on page: 209 in book one:Into the Wild. Because he seems to like Ravenpaw.
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never thought i would see this in my WHOLE LIFE!!!!!!

15 pages of pure argument!
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Well it's cuz Otterfoot just keeps on insulting Firestar more with stupid reasons.

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Their not Stupid Reasons!!!!!!! FIRESTAR IS ONLY WINNING CAUSE THORNHEART MADE 7 DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS TO VOTE FOR HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TIGERSTAR DOESN'T KILL CATS FOR POWER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MY MIND ISN'T TWISTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU CAN'T BLAME EVERYTHING ON HIM!!!!!!!!!!! AND BRAMBLECLAW IF YOU LIKE BRAMBLECLAW SO MUCH, HE IS TIGERSTAR'S SON!RIGHT? SOOOOOOOOOO YOU NO WHAT? I AM NOT GOING TO BOTHER WITH THIS ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am getting a mod to lock thiss thread! NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND YOU GUYS ARE STUPID IF YOU LIKE HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND WHY ARE YOU ALL TEAMING UP ON ME? THERE ARE ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE WHO HATE HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!
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First of all, Brambleclaw IS my favorite cat, but he himself doesn't want to be like his father. And ya,, get a mod to lock this thread. You need to calm down.. :-/
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I just have to ask were the heck the idea that Leafpool and Squirelflight are rouges is coming from....they where born in the clan. It says so right at the end of Firestar's Quest. Cinderpelt herself was taking herbs to Sandstorm.
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But does it say they were BORN there? NOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It even says they were born outside of the forest!!! they said... Even though they were born along the way home, and that Firestar is a Kittypet his daughters were clanborn through and through. (NOT!!!!!!)and I just read it exactly from the page!!!! but that's what it said and I don't need to calm down! you do!!!!!!!!!!!! you obviously need some medication!!!!!! all of you that like him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I have no idea whats going on but otterfoot sure is passionate about it! Here let me solve this problem that I have no idea what its about!
Teto was in fact needed in the movie on to show that Nausicaa has a special way with animals! But I suppose he could've been edited out! But in the Manga he was DEFINATILLY NEEDED!!!!
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GO ELLIEFANG!! *cheers* SOUGHT OUT THIS MESS
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lol That's one way to end it.
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I guess.
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Otterfoot, I personally think you should stop posting with capitals
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Mind your own buissness! We JUST ened the fight!
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Ok then. Right! Firestar was needed!
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No he isn't! Ok everyone this post I make will be the last on this thread!
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wow.......hmm...i truthfully dont want anyone to die. hee hee?? :-/
of course it would never be a great saga if no one did...
and i really don't think being half-clan or non-clan born matters, as long as you are a loyal warrior. its like this for my point of view:
if someone was in great need wouldn't you do something about it? like invite them in and feed them and make sure they have a place to stay??? i think i would. not like a stranger or anything but somone you knew?
and if i remember correctly, if anyone read the book: Warriors Field Guide: Secrets of the clans, it says in Thunderstar's(founder and first leader of ThunderClan) bio that he helped make the warrior code and assisted in it's more compassionate elements. which means he put the softer rules in there like, never turn down a kit even if its from a different clan or to kill a cat to win your battles. am i right?? so thunderclan has been like that for MOONS! its who they are and probably how they always will be. its in their blood!
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You weren't suppose to answer here... but ya!