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  • [fancypost borderwidth=; border: 0px solid transparent; font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify; text-transform: lowercase; color: white; sub;]okay! so here this! I'm kind of rushed right now, so I'll just start by asking you what all you know, even the little things!

  • Okay!
    Well i know how a punnett square works and i know that for example if you had two genes, one being B and the other being b, the higher case is dominant
    I also know about homozygos and heterozygos and genotypes


    Im on mobile so sorry for any spelling mistakes ^^

    The post was edited 1 time, last by ➣ immy ().

  • [fancypost borderwidth=; border: 0px solid transparent; font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify; text-transform: lowercase; color: white; sub;]it's okay, I am too ^^
    Before we begin the actual first lesson, I'll just give you this, and tell me how it's processing/questions/anything


    first of all, we'll start with the vocab that'll be used throughout training.


    Homozygous - when a cat has two copies of the same gene (e.g two black genes)
    Heterozygous - when a cat has two genes, each different. (e.g one chocolate and one black)
    Phenotype - the most basic way to describe something (e.g a cat, a dog)
    Genotype - the word used to reperesent a gene.
    Eumenalin - the word used to show the black gene.
    Pheomenalin - the word used to show the red gene.


    Before we start on the black gene, in my head I represent the black and red gene as a flower, the middle being the basic group (the black gene, the red gene) and the petals being sub catagories. (e.g black, chocolate, cinnamon)
    now, as mentioned above the eumenalin gene has 3 strands. black, cinnamon and chocolate.


    BB = Black
    bb = chocolate
    bb1 = cinnamon


    As you also may know, all cats on wcrpg carry dilute. The dilute for black is blue, the dilute for chocolate is lilac and the dilute for cinnamon is fawn.


    DD = non dilute
    Dd = non dilute cat carrying the dilute gene (but all cats carry this anyways)
    dd = dilute


    Finally, the male and female chromosomes. The male have only one O gene and the other is Y, where as the mother have both O. Kittens can only have one chromosome from each parent (including the one that makes their gender) so the male get their genes from the mother and the females get their genes from the male. but in some cases if the male is red and the female is black, then the female can be tortie, taking each one chromosome from each parents and 'blending' it together to make a tortie.


    oY = black factor male
    OY = red factor male
    oo = black factor female
    OO = red factor female
    Oo = tortie female


    How's that processing? c:

  • [fancypost borderwidth=; border: 0px solid transparent; font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify; text-transform:; color: white; sub;]okay, let's try to guess some genetic codes, because when teaching you, I'd like for you to list them when I give you a pairing.


    Bb, dd, Oo
    b1b1,Dd,oY
    bb1, Dd, OY
    bb, Dd, OO

    The post was edited 1 time, last by machi. ().

  • Should any of those be capitols? Sorry if I wrong and just being fussy or anything... All the letters are lowercase so im not sure what is what... ^^'

  • [fancypost borderwidth=; border: 0px solid transparent; font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify; text-transform: lowercase; color: white; sub;]oh gosh, I'm sorry ;u;


    I'll edit that now!

  • Oh god this is hard.... im just going to guess at what im doing...


    1 - chocolate, dilute, tortie female
    2 - cinnamon, non dilute carrying dilute gene, black factor male (what was b1b1 again?)
    3 - cinnamon, non dilute carry dilute gene, red factor male
    4 - chocolate, no dilute carrying dilute gene, red factor female


    im guessing that's wrong haha ^^

  • [fancypost borderwidth=; border: 0px solid transparent; font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify; text-transform:; color: white; sub;]you've got the right idea, but you have to look at the genes when put together


    Also, keep the genetic code beside the answer so I'll know what you mean


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    1 - chocolate, dilute, tortie female


    Bb, dd, Oo


    Not quite. You have to look at the first gene and remember what is dominant and what is recessive. Look at the Bb I gave you above. Looking at that first B, you automatically know that the cat has the black base, right? The b beside it is just being carried. It won't show unless it's paired with another b. Now Bb means this cat is black factored.


    Onto the next part. dd means that a cat is diluted right? So instead of this cat being blacl, it is now blue, because it's diluted.


    Oo. This is where everyone messes up. Remember that O is the dominant red gene. A female cat needs two big O's to be fully red. And you see she only has one big O. Now, we know she is female because she has no Y gene, which would make her a male.


    Anyways, aside from the O, you see she also has the small o. So she also has the black gene. Now, well get into this later, but for now, just remember that when you see oO or Oo, the cat is some sort of tortie/torbie. Ignore torbie for now though.


    So, you now know that this cat is a tortie. So, that means she has her black and red base showing. So thus would be a tortie, right?


    Nope.


    Remember the dd gene from above? You can't forget it. This cat is diluted. So instead of a regular tortie, this cat is really a dilute tortie


    Does that make sense?

  • [fancypost borderwidth=; border: 0px solid transparent; font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify; text-transform: lowercase; color: white; sub;]if you'd like too, sure ^^

  • I think ive got myself all confused
    Only females can be torties right?
    We learnt it in school with instead of the O and Y we used X and Y
    Isnt it that the O/X (im confused) will either be red or black? Females can either have two red, two balcks or one of each, making them tortie but males cant have it because they only have one O/X and the other is Y?
    Im so confused

  • [fancypost borderwidth=; border: 0px solid transparent; font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify; text-transform:; color: white; sub;] So, eumelanin is the term used to describe black-based pigments (black, chocolate, cinnamon etc.), and pheomelanin is the term to describe red-based pigments (red tabby etc.).


    A cat with red pigmentation can only be a tabby; there are no red or cream solids.
    Another thing to remember is that the red-factor is a sex-linked trait. Males have one X chromosome and one Y chromosome, while females have two X chromosomes. O or o represents the X chromosome, meaning that if it is present as O, the cat will be a red factor (and in females, if the other X chromosome is black-factored as o, then it will be either a tortie or torbie). If the X chromosome isn't present (o) then the cat will be black-factored.


    Here are the genetic codes for the red factor and torties/torbies:
    oY = Male black factor
    OY = Male red factor
    oo = Female black factor
    Oo = Female tortoiseshell or torbie
    OO = Female red factor



    Males can in fact be torties/toebies/calicos/calibys. They are what we call genetic mutations. Along with there Y gene from there father, they've also inherited not one, but two colour chromosomes (the x chromosome). They are genetic mutations.


    Do you understand this so far? c:

  • [fancypost borderwidth=; border: 0px solid transparent; font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify; text-transform: lowercase; color: white; sub;]//pokes


    Try the other ones above c:
    Don't worry if you mess up, that's why you are stuck with have meh x3

  • I apologise for how useless my brain is


    1 - dilute tortie
    2 - cinnamon carrying dilute gene
    3 - chocolate with reccesive cinnamon carrying dilute gene
    4 - chocolate


    Im really confused over the red factor stuff...

  • [fancypost borderwidth=; border: 0px solid transparent; font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify; text-transform: lowercase; color: white; sub;]all off need you to do, is tell me what the cat is. Not what it is carrying. Just try your best and if it helps, tell me what you think it would be if it didn't have the red gene.

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    the machiiiiiii wrote:

    b1b1,Dd,oY
    bb1, Dd, OY
    bb, Dd, OO


    Good! Now, let's take a look at the first set up.


    The base is cinnamon, which you've gotten right c: now, look at the two genes beside it. We've got a Dd and a oY. Remember when I said a cat had Dd, then they are dense (undiluted), so you know this cat stays cinnamon!


    Now, onto the oY. If you look at the tiny o, you know that this cat is a black factored male because he has the recessive red gene, which is why be has a tiny o instead of a big one. Now, we all know the Y makes him a male, so we know he's a male x3


    Now,out it together ^^


    b1b1,Dd,oY > Cinnamon male


    See? Try the other two now (=